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Post by cbrown on Feb 14, 2002 11:14:34 GMT -5
I am interested in spending a long weekend or some time before a regatta to hold a mini sailing camp for the HT's. This would give us some time to do tuning and explore different setups in a noncompetitive environment. One idea is that we use two or three days before the Kingston regatta for this. Kingston has consistent winds, close camping, and, because of the exchange rate, very cheap. Maybe we could even arrange for some coaching. Perhaps an earlier time would be good, but it would have to be a weekend because of my teaching. Is anybody else interested or have any other suggestions.
Chris
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Post by davidhertz on Feb 14, 2002 18:58:26 GMT -5
I like the idea of a training camp. The idea of the camp being held in Kingston sounds good. Who could we get to act as coach? Could we have an informal one at the Delemare event?
David Hertz
F-18HT #5
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Post by cbrown on Feb 15, 2002 13:00:26 GMT -5
David,
What did you mean by Delmare? I talked to Robbie Daniels a couple of months bach about coaching for me and my wife at Kingston. He would be there the previous weekend for CORK. Would he be a possiblility?
Chris
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Post by davidhertz on Feb 15, 2002 13:39:40 GMT -5
I meant Deleware (Rehoboth). I don't know Robbie Daniels personally-Is he a good coach? What about Randy Smyth or the coach that W.F. and Matt use on their Tornados?
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Post by cbrown on Feb 16, 2002 15:10:39 GMT -5
I think WF used Jim Young. However, as I remember he is very expensive! If we had enough people I guess we could spread the cost around to make it affordable. BTW, David, did you meet my wife at the Summer Sizzler this summer. She said that she talked to someone about crewing on the Worrell 1000 last summer. Just wondering if that was you.
Chris
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Post by tbohan@strato.net on Feb 16, 2002 18:18:30 GMT -5
Here's a thought...if Randy is going to own one, or even if he isn't, we could hold our first N/A's (or a tune up regatta) down at his location in Florida, next fall or winter. By then there should be many more F18HT's in country and more participants to spread the cost around. Since he has working knowledge of the boat and especially the spinnaker, I think if we go to him for a tune up it would be most beneficial and minimize cost. It could be done as the trailer makes it's way south for the winter season next year. OR...do it now, at the Spring Fever, if Randy is going to be there. Tim Bohan
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Post by W.F. Oliver III on Feb 16, 2002 18:57:41 GMT -5
Tim,
You have some excellent ideas. Ft. Walton/Pensacola may be an excellent area to hold our NAs and perhaps a training camp. Randy would make an excellent coach/trainer as he has a F-18HT at his disposal and lives in a great sailing area. By then he will know even more about the boat and its characteristics. I will approach him about the possibility of his coaching our fleet in Kingston (July) and again in Ft Walton/Pensacola (November).
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Post by davidhertz on Feb 16, 2002 19:09:05 GMT -5
Tim,
I think that it is too soon to have a training camp at Spring Fever, as we will be too busy figuring out how to put them together and such. Besides Randy, who is sailing on a F-18HT, is holding a go faster seminar as it is!
I vote for hiring randy as a trainer in Ft. Walton, Fla in November and perhaps for Kingston in July. What about the guy who trained Struble and Oliver as well as the Canadian Tornados at Kingston last year? Oliver said that he was a good one to do speed training with. Maybe he will already be there for the CORK Tornado event. If not him, then why not Randy for that event as well?
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Post by tbohan@strato.net on Feb 16, 2002 20:05:56 GMT -5
OK, here is another thought...it may be quite premature but I would like for us to invite F18HT's from Europe to any regatta next November, or next Trade Winds, or whatever we have during the winter. I don't know what their official schedule is as far as the next World Championships, but I would like to see one in the US as soon as we have a big enough fleet and it fits into the Official International Class schedule. I know lots of European folks and Brits vacation in Florida (Orlando-Disney World area) in the winter, and the Virgin Islands as well. Maybe they would like to race here in the winter too. Maybe if we have enough boats in the US there might be some avilable for them to charter. I realize I'm about a year or two ahead of where we are today but one of the reasons I got into this class was the one rule, international aspect. Also, it would be great to go over there and sail with them on some of those beautifull mountain lakes! I don't know what it would cost to ship a container of boats, maybe we could charter over there as well...? Just thinking ahead... Tim
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Post by cbrown on Feb 17, 2002 9:14:59 GMT -5
If we did a camp before the nationals would they run consecutively. I could not afford to go down to Florida twice in November and I can not take off more than a week. Two day mini camp with three full days of racing?
Fort Walton might make a good race venue. The yacht club there has put on many quality catamaran championships and it is in Randy's backyard. However, how cold is it in November? Another alternative might be Tampa/Clearwater. I have never sailed there myself but I have heard that it has good sailing conditions. It might be warmer (further south) in November and provide equally good sailing. Maybe we could check with Robbie about the conditions during that time.
If and when we would hold a World Championship I had an idea. Have Bimare sponsor the Alter Cup the same year as the Worlds. Sell some of the boats from the Alter cup spring race. Keep the rest for charter during the World Championship in the summer. Sell the remaining boats at a further discount.
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Post by davidhertz on Feb 17, 2002 10:44:27 GMT -5
Chris,
I like the idea of a mini-camp being combined with an event, however I would perfer it not be our NAs. I really like the idea of the minicamp in Kingston, Ontario, Canada in conjunction with the Kingston Regatta. I would be wiling to pony up some cash to hire Randy to coach. Hopefully he will be there to race anyway.
As far as the idea of the class sponsoring the Alter Cup, there is a lot of committment involved with such an endeaver. We could approach Bimare (or Boyer?) about furnishing boats for the Alter Cup. If a factory accepted, then it could be great for them and the class! The idea of combining the use of the boats with the Alter Cup and then chartering them for a NA is a great idea.
At the NA's or "Worlds" ,the boats could be chartered by interested US sailors, as well as EU sailors. The charter fee could be credited toward the boat's cost and then the boats sold (even presold) to US or EU sailors. This idea was used by Performance Catamarans with their I-20s used in the Alter Cup and the Worrell 1000. They sold ALL those boats and greatly helped boost their class. The Worlds would be much less taxing on the boats than the W-1000. Everybody wins!
It would be important to have the Alter Cup and "Worlds" close to each other in terms of the calander. One idea could be host the Alter Cup in Pensacola in the late Spring (as in 2001) and have the "Worlds" the immediately (maybe space a day or two) after the Alter Cup. The the final day or two of the Alter Cup event would be a wonderful spectator event for the World's competitors.
I know this is premature as we would have to coordinate interest of the F-18HT factory to be involved, arrange a facility with Kirt or another party (Ft Walton?), petition the Alter Cup Committee to host the event, and work to "lure" the European sailor to the US and the warm Florida sun. you can count on my full support. I would be willing to offer my time and effort to make an idea of this move forward. What do you'll think? Is the Bimare factory listening?
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Post by W.F. Oliver III on Feb 17, 2002 13:40:04 GMT -5
It is great to see some many great ideas being proposed by our class membership!
As far as sailing camp ideas, I favor the first camp being held in Kingston in the days prior to the Kingston Cat Challenge. Randy would make a great coach and I will check on his availability and details. He will have the advantage of direct F-18HT boat knowledge. Alternatively, Jim Young (Team 1 Sailing's coach) would be another possibility.
Jim has coached several champion sailors and is well respected in his field. He was very helpful to Matt Struble and myself in terms of sail shape work, the mental side of the sport, and boat development. Besides, he is really fun and entertaining off the water. I do not know if he is available, however I will check into this as well.
Larry Suiter is known as an expert in boatspeed development and coached the Canadian Tornado teams, Matt and myself prior to last year's Kingston event. He will most likely be available after the Kingston event, as he normally coaches a CORK's Ultimate Regatta.
It may be possible to get some fleet coaching for other events as well. I will work on this.
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Post by davidhertz on Feb 18, 2002 10:57:22 GMT -5
As I said before, I vote for the Sailing Camp to be held at the Kingston Regatta. I have selfish reasons for this, as my Jav 2 is coming on the second container. I am told that this container should arrive prior to Kingston, so I want to be there!
As far as coach selection, I would tend to favor using Randy because he is sailing with the class and will have more direct knowledge of the boat and speed ideas. I also like the idea of the class getting together and hiring a coach for during other events.
I noticed that the Hobie Flt 32 (Va Beach) is sponsoring a Rick White Seminar on Memorial Day Weekend. This is the week prior to the Chris Worrell Memorial Race isn't it? Maybe some class mebers would like to attend the seminar, as most of the boats will be in the class trailer at that point. I am trying to set up being at the seminar on another boat, as mine will not be in at that time.
David
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Post by W.F. Oliver III on Feb 18, 2002 16:13:58 GMT -5
Jim Young e-mailed me to say that he will be in Turkey coaching during the early part of July (Kingston event), therefore he is not an option for sailing camp coach in July. I spoke to Randy today about some other stuff, but it slipped my mind to ask him about coaching us. Randy Smyth is the best choice, partially due to his hands on experience on the F-18HT.
Next time I speak to Randy, I will bring the subject up. I do agree that if there is interest that we could get class coaching during other times of the year as well. Maybe Jim Young will be available for another time? I do think that the membership would enjoy working with Jim.
W.F.
USA 3
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Post by CRAM_CAT on Mar 10, 2002 13:58:19 GMT -5
I'm looking for more details about this sailing camp. I am waiting to see if more sailors from CRAM or OCRA join the class before I jump into the F-18HT class, however I do like the boat! Bottom line is that I might not have a F-18HT by the time of the sailing camp, as it depends on class growth in my area. Can non-F-18HT sailors join the sailing camp?
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